A page considering differences (rhetorical) between the two forms by entertaining the fusion of the two.

See also WikiAndBlog


Meatball Wiki: WikiLog (http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb2.pl?WikiLog) lays out the framework of the discussion in their "attempt to synthesize the best aspects of WikiWikis and WebLogs." A long page worth re-reading.

WikiWikis are good at sifting and synthesizing knowledge from data. This is an ongoing and collaborative process, undertaken by many people, contributing to and editing the data flow in an attempt to derive meaning from it.

WebLogs are good at presenting ongoing data and encouraging Socratic-style dialogue about it.
and

WebLogs fail because they are too transient....

WikiWikis avoid this linearity by being an interconnected web of data.

Meatball Wiki (http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb2.pl?WebLog) has a brief history of web logs seen through wiki-eyes.

Jill Walker considers the differences and connections @ http://cmc.uib.no/jill/archives/blogtheory.html

I'm trying to figure out why I've been hearing Wiki and weblogs mentioned in the same breath lately. Wiki is a collaborative, hypertextual webpublishing system where literally anyone can change anything on a page.... Trusty old google has lots of interesting hits for "weblog wiki" and the first led me to Bill Seitz' weblog which is now no longer quite a weblog (or is it?) but a wiki (ThinkingSpace) only kind of shaped like a weblog. Presumably that means it's sort of both? Fortunately there's a link to an interview with Bill where he explains why he abandonned the weblog form for a Wiki. Reading it I feel much less panicked about "what on earth is a Wiki anyway?" but I still don't have an answer to the question.

Jill, in a posting (http://cmc.uib.no/jill/archives/march2002.html#1081) , brings in and comments on the interface probs of wikis over blogs mentioned in Meatball Wiki: WikiLog (http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb2.pl?WikiLog) - some of which are unconvincing.

[http://ourpla.net/cgi/pikie?AbbeNormal Abbe Normal] John Abbe tried a wiki-fused-to-blog. After a couple of years, he set the project aside. His [http://www.ourpla.net/cgi-bin/pikie.cgi?_AbbeNormal/001072943500.000000-BlogAnotherDay comments on the differences] brings some of the rhetorical and epistemic differences to the surface:

WikiWiki is a different way of thinking, slower, generally less concerned about what happened yesterday, and with blogging it's too easy for me to let myself get dragged into trying to be part of the RecentChanges of the web. Who wants to be popular?... i'm definitely wanting more focus, to be doing things that i can believe will make a difference.

Bill Seitz theorizes about the fusion of the two spaces on


And in this interview (http://www.theobvious.com/archive/2002/02/26.html) he talks about the move to a wiki.
While my WebLog started for me in 1998 as a pass-along activity ("this is cool", "this is insanely stupid"), it became more of a combination of "active reading" (selecting pullquotes is the equivalent of highliting, which I do obsessively) and "making sense of the world"...

But blogging seems a poor medium for directed activity.
... I knew that I couldn't continue writing in 2 tools at the same time without going nuts, so I put more time into figuring out how I'd like to put blog items into wiki, and how I'd like to present them, while creating "standard" wiki pages at the same time (ThinkingSpace).
I was able to come up with a model requiring minimal programming changes (e.g. a hack). So a few weeks ago I started doing my blogging in wiki, and am a much happier camper. Sometimes blog events refer to an ongoing interest in a wiki page, other times blog "events" trigger a brand new wiki node. In either case a wiki node can lead me back easily to all the blog bits that refer to it (via BackLinks). I'm not making much more sense yet, but I feel like I'm getting the scaffolding in place.

Writers on the Information Architect's Wiki (http://www.iawiki.net/IAwikiBlog/Discussion) are thinking about "Integrating a web-log system into a wiki page environment." This consideration by VictorLombardi opens up the distinctions -
I have this gut feeling that the traditional most-recent-first blog and the wiki actually serve two different needs on the part of the author (related to the above mentioned 'wiki-side integration:'), and we might need to keep them in mind when constructing an IAwikiBlog.

I would re-cast points 2 and 4: the reader of a wiki is actively engaged when she can become the writer, which makes the wiki a potential dialogue. Point 3 - the blog is speech, the wiki is text - points up a significant difference that comes of the easy recursiveness of composing on a wiki.

[Decafbad http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WeblogWithWiki] seeks to fuse blog and wiki as a way of fusing short-term and long-term ideas: reiforcing the idea of the epistemic differences between the two forms.
Why? For me, it seems a great and simple way to try to capture short term and long term thoughts, and to facilitate the links between them. (
What do others see in it? See: MeatBall:WikiLog) If it works effectively, I should be able to pull my weblog writings in the moment into longterm topics, and refer to longterm work in weblog entries, all with a minimum of effort. In fact, it would be best if this system could surprise me, by making unexpected links or by reminding me of long forgotten thoughts.

(See also the [http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WeblogWithWikiDiscussion discussion] [http://www.decafbad.com decafbad].

Mark Bernstein posts a consideration of blog-wiki fusion - with a nod to Tinderbox (which is more wiki than blog) http://markBernstein.org/Jan0201.html#note_4409
Wiki ... lends itself to complex structure -- to expressing ideas as relationships between pages. Conventional weblogs, on the other hand, are long scrolls. The interesting parts of a Wiki are usually the margins, the edges where active writing takes place. The interesting parts of a weblog are the most recent entries. Seitz (like Abbe) is working to reconcile these forces.
One of the most important things Tinderbox can contribute to a weblog is memory: a way of conserving facts and ideas do they can be used again. Weblog archives aren't very good at this; who cares about old news? Even weblog categories don't help much: categories shift over time, but once a post is assigned a category it's likely to stay there forever. Tinderbox, by making it easy to organize archives automatically (and to adjust those categories by adding agents) opens up new opportunities. I think it's a new way of looking at information architecture: organized, organic growth, not classification.

So


A wiki can capture the compositional virtues of the blog in ThreadMode, and move towards the rhetorical virtues of the essayistic, memexish, wiki as the nodes are refactored/revised into DocumentMode, as in WikiAndEssay. As [http://www.iawiki.net/IAwikiBlog/Discussion IAWiki mentions], the blog space tends to encourage speech - transient, and dealing with immediate and transients, composed on the fly. The wiki encourages text - aimed toward the more permanent, revised, recursive.

However, posting on a blog is easier than on a wiki in great part because you do not need to decide where to post: you post to the top, or in an already-defined category. On a wiki, one has to find a place to put the post, which costs cognative overhead. Where to place it can be lightened by using a DropBox or DrawingBoard to store posts for placement later.

'WikiNature, BlogNature, PicoNature'
Blogs and wikis engage different rhetorics: one topical, carved from the inside out; the other chronological, staying on top of things.

* WikiNature says you've got to be able to carve the web site from the inside out... rather than have to sculpt it from the outside or, worse, word process it.
* BlogNature says you keep people up to date by appending to to the top of things.
* PicoNature says you discuss things by appending to the bottom of them.
: [http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/BlogBlog BlogBlog at MoinMoin]

PicoNature is dialectic: discussion. MoinMoin authors make a useful distinction between a rhetoric fostered by linear conferencing, which concentrates attention, and rhetoric fostered by threaded discussion, dissapates attention.


elsewhere


* [http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/BlogBlog BlogBlog notes at MoinMoinWiki]
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